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	<description>Writings about more than just Macs, by Kirk McElhearn</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Palinkas</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Palinkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Kirk is on the right track here, but others want too much, akin to those demanding a video iPod. MS makes Win XP media center, but the current systems run for &#036;2000 with everything but the kitchen sink. They&#039;re far too expensive and try to do too much at once.&lt;P&gt;Apple is better at focusing at doing a few things right. Apple needs a set-top box that is a DVD/CD player, can rip CDs, has a fat 3.5&quot; HD (200GB is now cheap), Ethernet, WiFi built-in (but not a base station), USB ports, FireWire, and AV connectors to connect to your TV and sound system. That&#039;s it. No RAID. No permanent DVD rips. It&#039;s unneccessary. They evenhave 2 options: beef up the iPod firmware  or strip down the Mac OS. &lt;P&gt;It would hold your iTunes library and other files. It could allow you to viewany QuickTime file on your TV. Host your home folder on an iServe. It could have a web interface, but more importantly, it&#039;d have a remote control. It would work with Windows, but it would sell Macs.&lt;P&gt;&lt;em&gt;And while your at it Steve.... why not bundle Parliant&#039;s PhoneValet and Indigo&#039;s home automation software and throw in SecuritySpy just for good measure? First class phone answering with email forwarding of telephone messages coupled with an ability to control my home&#039;s lights, temperature and hot tub with a fulltime security guard to boot for any home would be a nice extra. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;P&gt;Uh, no. That&#039;s why the iServe would have a USB port. PhoneValet would be a popular product for such a device, but let&#039;s not shovel everything on this device and drive the price through the roof. An iServe would establish a new consumer product category, the &quot;household server&quot;, and the potential market for 3rd party add-ons, software and hardware both, would be immense.&lt;P&gt;&#036;500 is a great price point. I&#039;ve been waiting for something like this for several years, and I&#039;d bet millions of others are as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kirk is on the right track here, but others want too much, akin to those<br />
demanding a video iPod. MS<br />
makes Win XP media center, but the current systems run for &#36;2000 with<br />
everything but the kitchen sink. They&#8217;re far too expensive and try to do<br />
too much at once.
<p>
Apple is better at focusing at doing a few things right. Apple needs a set-top<br />
box that is a DVD/CD player, can rip CDs, has a fat 3.5&#8243; HD (200GB is now<br />
cheap), Ethernet, WiFi built-in (but not a base station), USB ports, FireWire,<br />
and AV connectors to connect to your TV and sound system. That&#8217;s it. No<br />
RAID. No permanent DVD rips. It&#8217;s unneccessary. They even<br />
have 2 options: beef up the iPod firmware  or strip down the Mac OS.
</p>
<p>
It would hold your iTunes library and other files. It could allow you to view<br />
any QuickTime file on your TV. Host your home folder on<br />
an iServe. It could have a web interface, but more importantly, it&#8217;d have a<br />
remote control. It would work with Windows, but it would sell Macs.
</p>
<p>
<em>And while your at it Steve&#8230;. why not bundle Parliant&#8217;s PhoneValet and<br />
Indigo&#8217;s home automation software and throw in SecuritySpy just for good<br />
measure? First class phone answering with email forwarding of telephone<br />
messages coupled with an ability to control my home&#8217;s lights, temperature<br />
and hot tub with a fulltime security guard to boot for any home would be a<br />
nice extra. </em>
</p>
<p>
Uh, no. That&#8217;s why the iServe would have a USB port. PhoneValet would be a<br />
popular product for such a device, but let&#8217;s not shovel everything on this<br />
device and<br />
drive the price through the roof. An iServe would establish a new consumer<br />
product category, the &#8220;household server&#8221;, and the potential market for 3rd<br />
party add-<br />
ons, software and hardware both, would be immense.</p>
<p>
&#36;500 is a great price point. I&#8217;ve been waiting for something like this for<br />
several years, and I&#8217;d bet millions of others are as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be realistic... Even if it would be headless to save costs, the amount of 
starage &amp; memory would add up quickly. So you can wish for everything and 
the moon... but getting it at that price-point is not very realistic IMHO...
Let&#039;s check quickly:
Storage: 1-5 80-250GB disks (possibly raid to make it reliable), 1 small disk 
for OS &amp; boot.
Backup: DVD or RAID...
You do the math...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be realistic&#8230; Even if it would be headless to save costs, the amount of<br />
starage &amp; memory would add up quickly. So you can wish for everything and<br />
the moon&#8230; but getting it at that price-point is not very realistic IMHO&#8230;<br />
Let&#8217;s check quickly:<br />
Storage: 1-5 80-250GB disks (possibly raid to make it reliable), 1 small disk<br />
for OS &amp; boot.<br />
Backup: DVD or RAID&#8230;<br />
You do the math&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the iPod cannot function as a server. It doesn&#039;t have an operating system 
allowing users and groups to be defined, and it is not designed for its hard 
disk to run all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the iPod cannot function as a server. It doesn&#8217;t have an operating system<br />
allowing users and groups to be defined, and it is not designed for its hard<br />
disk to run all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the product you are describing is already well on its way. It is called 
the iPod! These things are all natural extensions to what the iPod is. A 60Gb 
hard disk goes a long way and I am sure with time this will reach 100Gb. Ass 
a TV In/Out and you have your TiVo. Maybe even Wi-Fi at some point though 
the portability of the device makes the use of this questionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the product you are describing is already well on its way. It is called<br />
the iPod! These things are all natural extensions to what the iPod is. A 60Gb<br />
hard disk goes a long way and I am sure with time this will reach 100Gb. Ass<br />
a TV In/Out and you have your TiVo. Maybe even Wi-Fi at some point though<br />
the portability of the device makes the use of this questionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2004 06:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while your at it Steve.... why not bundle Parliant&#039;s PhoneValet and 
Indigo&#039;s home automation software and throw in SecuritySpy just for good 
measure? First class phone answering with email forwarding of telephone 
messages coupled with an ability to control my home&#039;s lights, temperature 
and hot tub with a fulltime security guard to boot for any home would be a 
nice extra. 


Now that&#039;s a nice digital huba-Buba! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while your at it Steve&#8230;. why not bundle Parliant&#8217;s PhoneValet and<br />
Indigo&#8217;s home automation software and throw in SecuritySpy just for good<br />
measure? First class phone answering with email forwarding of telephone<br />
messages coupled with an ability to control my home&#8217;s lights, temperature<br />
and hot tub with a fulltime security guard to boot for any home would be a<br />
nice extra. </p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s a nice digital huba-Buba!</p>
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		<title>By: cdevroe</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>cdevroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But really it would all come down to software anyway.  The abilities you ask 
for in your wish are mostly taken care of by software solutions and synergy 
rather than a &quot;silver bullet&quot; piece of hardware.

Not giving people the choice to use whatever hardware they&#039;d like, for iServe 
functionality, could prove near-sighted.  Meaning, if someone had to buy an 
iServe (with specs that would no doubt rival that of an XServe), than they may 
be less apt to use such a solution.  And then there&#039;s always price and setup.  
Would the average user be able to use such a hardware solution?  Possibly, 
but only if it&#039;s powered by extremely well thought out software.

I think that they&#039;ve begun working towards something like your describing 
already.  With Rendezvous being built into iTunes, even for Windows, it won&#039;t 
be long (probably when Tiger is released) that many more applications will 
have rendezvous (read: the ability to share) built-in, such as Address Book, 
iCal, etc.

I think software is step 1 - step 2 would be killer hardware to leverage that 
power.

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Colin D. Devroe
Blog: http://theubergeeks.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But really it would all come down to software anyway.  The abilities you ask<br />
for in your wish are mostly taken care of by software solutions and synergy<br />
rather than a &quot;silver bullet&quot; piece of hardware.</p>
<p>Not giving people the choice to use whatever hardware they&#8217;d like, for iServe<br />
functionality, could prove near-sighted.  Meaning, if someone had to buy an<br />
iServe (with specs that would no doubt rival that of an XServe), than they may<br />
be less apt to use such a solution.  And then there&#8217;s always price and setup.<br />
Would the average user be able to use such a hardware solution?  Possibly,<br />
but only if it&#8217;s powered by extremely well thought out software.</p>
<p>I think that they&#8217;ve begun working towards something like your describing<br />
already.  With Rendezvous being built into iTunes, even for Windows, it won&#8217;t<br />
be long (probably when Tiger is released) that many more applications will<br />
have rendezvous (read: the ability to share) built-in, such as Address Book,<br />
iCal, etc.</p>
<p>I think software is step 1 &#8211; step 2 would be killer hardware to leverage that<br />
power.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Colin D. Devroe<br />
Blog: <a href="http://theubergeeks.net/" rel="nofollow">http://theubergeeks.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said:

However, perhaps there is a way to handle something &quot;like&quot; this using the 
power of software. Perhaps allowing one of the Macs on your network 
become the &quot;Supernode&quot; if you will, which would allow it to act as the iServe. 
People do this all the time currently. People, meaning those who have more 
than 1 computer in the home, usually designate each machine for specific 
tasks like file storage, burning CDs, or browsing the Internet from the couch.

Creating a piece of software to work in conjunction with iTunes, iPhoto etc. 
would allow users to designate 1 machine to keep everything organized. I 
suppose this could be done now using network shares, but not everyone 
knows how to set those up properly.

-----

Yes, this is certainly an option, but user/group management with OS X client 
is not very simple. Also, when doing the above, most people would naturally 
choose an old Mac, one that is perhaps noisy and one that uses a lot of 
power. I&#039;ve got a G3 iMac that I use for testing - I thought of leaving it on all 
the time as a server, but then I&#039;d have to un-wire the monitor so it doesn&#039;t 
waste too much power.

A software solution would be interesting; a hardware solution even more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said:</p>
<p>However, perhaps there is a way to handle something &quot;like&quot; this using the<br />
power of software. Perhaps allowing one of the Macs on your network<br />
become the &quot;Supernode&quot; if you will, which would allow it to act as the iServe.<br />
People do this all the time currently. People, meaning those who have more<br />
than 1 computer in the home, usually designate each machine for specific<br />
tasks like file storage, burning CDs, or browsing the Internet from the couch.</p>
<p>Creating a piece of software to work in conjunction with iTunes, iPhoto etc.<br />
would allow users to designate 1 machine to keep everything organized. I<br />
suppose this could be done now using network shares, but not everyone<br />
knows how to set those up properly.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Yes, this is certainly an option, but user/group management with OS X client<br />
is not very simple. Also, when doing the above, most people would naturally<br />
choose an old Mac, one that is perhaps noisy and one that uses a lot of<br />
power. I&#8217;ve got a G3 iMac that I use for testing &#8211; I thought of leaving it on all<br />
the time as a server, but then I&#8217;d have to un-wire the monitor so it doesn&#8217;t<br />
waste too much power.</p>
<p>A software solution would be interesting; a hardware solution even more so.</p>
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		<title>By: cdevroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdevroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really.  I think that this would be more beneficial to schools and 
businesses than anyone.  If you look at what Bill Gates has spoken about the 
ability to load software remotely, or share software applications, etc. - it does 
hold some weight to it.  I just don&#039;t think that Microsoft&#039;s alleged strategy 
towards such an end is correct.

I was merely saying it&#039;d be cool.  But there would definitely be drawbacks.  
Consider the fact that the remote systems would never be allowed out of the 
range of the central iServe.  So drawbacks are a plenty!

However, perhaps there is a way to handle something &quot;like&quot; this using the 
power of software.  Perhaps allowing one of the Macs on your network 
become the &quot;Supernode&quot; if you will, which would allow it to act as the iServe.  
People do this all the time currently.  People, meaning those who have more 
than 1 computer in the home, usually designate each machine for specific 
tasks like file storage, burning CDs, or browsing the Internet from the couch.

Creating a piece of software to work in conjunction with iTunes, iPhoto etc. 
would allow users to designate 1 machine to keep everything organized.  I 
suppose this could be done now using network shares, but not everyone 
knows how to set those up properly.

A lot of things to think about, since Wi-fi is starting to have some nice 
throughput at relatively low cost.  My Airport Express cost about $130USD, 
not a bad price to pay for an incredibly easy 802.11g wireless network.

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Colin D. Devroe
Blog: http://theubergeeks.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really.  I think that this would be more beneficial to schools and<br />
businesses than anyone.  If you look at what Bill Gates has spoken about the<br />
ability to load software remotely, or share software applications, etc. &#8211; it does<br />
hold some weight to it.  I just don&#8217;t think that Microsoft&#8217;s alleged strategy<br />
towards such an end is correct.</p>
<p>I was merely saying it&#8217;d be cool.  But there would definitely be drawbacks.<br />
Consider the fact that the remote systems would never be allowed out of the<br />
range of the central iServe.  So drawbacks are a plenty!</p>
<p>However, perhaps there is a way to handle something &quot;like&quot; this using the<br />
power of software.  Perhaps allowing one of the Macs on your network<br />
become the &quot;Supernode&quot; if you will, which would allow it to act as the iServe.<br />
People do this all the time currently.  People, meaning those who have more<br />
than 1 computer in the home, usually designate each machine for specific<br />
tasks like file storage, burning CDs, or browsing the Internet from the couch.</p>
<p>Creating a piece of software to work in conjunction with iTunes, iPhoto etc.<br />
would allow users to designate 1 machine to keep everything organized.  I<br />
suppose this could be done now using network shares, but not everyone<br />
knows how to set those up properly.</p>
<p>A lot of things to think about, since Wi-fi is starting to have some nice<br />
throughput at relatively low cost.  My Airport Express cost about $130USD,<br />
not a bad price to pay for an incredibly easy 802.11g wireless network.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Colin D. Devroe<br />
Blog: <a href="http://theubergeeks.net/" rel="nofollow">http://theubergeeks.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thought - Xgrid. But would it help home users at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thought &#8211; Xgrid. But would it help home users at all?</p>
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		<title>By: cdevroe</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2004/10/29/on-my-wish-list-the-apple-iserve/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>cdevroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To go even a step further, what about using 802.11n (or something like it) to 
provide the ability for all users to actually use the computing power of the 
iServe on a remote system.

Like logging into a large unix system with very simple consoles.

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Colin D. Devroe
Blog: http://theubergeeks.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To go even a step further, what about using 802.11n (or something like it) to<br />
provide the ability for all users to actually use the computing power of the<br />
iServe on a remote system.</p>
<p>Like logging into a large unix system with very simple consoles.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Colin D. Devroe<br />
Blog: <a href="http://theubergeeks.net/" rel="nofollow">http://theubergeeks.net/</a></p>
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