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	<title>Comments on: The iPhone V2: When a Price Drop is Really a Price Increase</title>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2008/06/10/the-iphone-v2-when-a-price-drop-is-really-a-price-increase/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point is well taken, but as long as the iPhone can only be used with one 
carrier, I stand by the term &quot;collusion&quot;. An unlocked iPhone is not half price (at 
least not in those countries where, by law, Apple is required to sell it).


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point is well taken, but as long as the iPhone can only be used with one<br />
carrier, I stand by the term &quot;collusion&quot;. An unlocked iPhone is not half price (at<br />
least not in those countries where, by law, Apple is required to sell it).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2008/06/10/the-iphone-v2-when-a-price-drop-is-really-a-price-increase/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collusion is a pretty strong accusation. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything hanging out there to back it up. If you have access to the notes of conversations between the two companies, I&#039;d love to see them.

Like I said, the handset IS half the price. And accusing Apple &amp; AT&amp;T of collusion doesn&#039;t answer that fact, nor does it answer what I pointed out earlier...the service plan is, in essence, fuel for the engine that is the phone. How many car dealerships have you criticized recently for advertising price cuts even as the price of fuel is rising, leading to higher TCO? And would you buy a V8 without considering the cost of the fuel in this economy?

Of course not. And no one would THINK of blaming the manufacturer if you did. Likewise, anyone who buys an iPhone without looking at the price of service is a fool.

I&#039;ll buy the accusation you (and others) are making when Apple starts talking about the cost of service, rather than the cost of the hardware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collusion is a pretty strong accusation. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything hanging out there to back it up. If you have access to the notes of conversations between the two companies, I&#8217;d love to see them.</p>
<p>Like I said, the handset IS half the price. And accusing Apple &amp; AT&amp;T of collusion doesn&#8217;t answer that fact, nor does it answer what I pointed out earlier&#8230;the service plan is, in essence, fuel for the engine that is the phone. How many car dealerships have you criticized recently for advertising price cuts even as the price of fuel is rising, leading to higher TCO? And would you buy a V8 without considering the cost of the fuel in this economy?</p>
<p>Of course not. And no one would THINK of blaming the manufacturer if you did. Likewise, anyone who buys an iPhone without looking at the price of service is a fool.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll buy the accusation you (and others) are making when Apple starts talking about the cost of service, rather than the cost of the hardware.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2008/06/10/the-iphone-v2-when-a-price-drop-is-really-a-price-increase/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Apple, in collusion with ATT, who is saying on their web site that it&#039;s half the 
price.

Kirk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Apple, in collusion with ATT, who is saying on their web site that it&#8217;s half the<br />
price.</p>
<p>Kirk</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2008/06/10/the-iphone-v2-when-a-price-drop-is-really-a-price-increase/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Apple should be accountable for the vagaries of AT&amp;T&#039;s service pricing? That seems unreasonable.&lt;p&gt;What Apple&#039;s advertising is the price of the handset. In the case of the 8GB, it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; half the price. What you&#039;re arguing is like saying that Apple should account for the price of replacing incompatible software when it touts the cost of an OS upgrade. Or to take a more current example, that Honda should factor the cost of gasoline into its advertised price. It&#039;s a more convenient argument to make in this case, since there&#039;s only one service provider handling the iPhone (for now), but it&#039;s no more logical.&lt;p&gt;And while I won&#039;t defend AT&amp;T&#039;s raising their price, I &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; point out that recent analyses pretty much conclude that it&#039;s in line with similar plans for similar phones. In any case, the blame for the price increase, and the responsibility for any advertising of it, lie solely with AT&amp;T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Apple should be accountable for the vagaries of AT&amp;T&#8217;s service pricing? That seems unreasonable.
<p>What Apple&#8217;s advertising is the price of the handset. In the case of the 8GB, it <em>is</em> half the price. What you&#8217;re arguing is like saying that Apple should account for the price of replacing incompatible software when it touts the cost of an OS upgrade. Or to take a more current example, that Honda should factor the cost of gasoline into its advertised price. It&#8217;s a more convenient argument to make in this case, since there&#8217;s only one service provider handling the iPhone (for now), but it&#8217;s no more logical.</p>
<p>And while I won&#8217;t defend AT&amp;T&#8217;s raising their price, I <em>will</em> point out that recent analyses pretty much conclude that it&#8217;s in line with similar plans for similar phones. In any case, the blame for the price increase, and the responsibility for any advertising of it, lie solely with AT&amp;T.</p>
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		<title>By: jhave</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2008/06/10/the-iphone-v2-when-a-price-drop-is-really-a-price-increase/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>jhave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least you are able to buy it and use it legally with all features activated 
etc. Here in Luxembourg (small country squeezed in between France, Belgium 
and Germany) we still don&#039;t have any word as to when (or if) the iPhone will be 
on offer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least you are able to buy it and use it legally with all features activated<br />
etc. Here in Luxembourg (small country squeezed in between France, Belgium<br />
and Germany) we still don&#8217;t have any word as to when (or if) the iPhone will be<br />
on offer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BinTex</title>
		<link>http://www.mcelhearn.com/2008/06/10/the-iphone-v2-when-a-price-drop-is-really-a-price-increase/#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>BinTex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget, when you pay the extra $200 up front you only pay it once 
now matter how long you own the phone. The extra $10/month is forever. Nice 
to be AT&amp;T. 

Have to say that for most people it is more palatable. The up front is all that 
matters and the rest doesn&#039;t. That&#039;s why salesman of all things can sell their 
wares for low monthly payments because nobody worries about the total cost of 
ownership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget, when you pay the extra $200 up front you only pay it once<br />
now matter how long you own the phone. The extra $10/month is forever. Nice<br />
to be AT&amp;T. </p>
<p>Have to say that for most people it is more palatable. The up front is all that<br />
matters and the rest doesn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s why salesman of all things can sell their<br />
wares for low monthly payments because nobody worries about the total cost of<br />
ownership.</p>
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